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Parallel Universe Lojban

1/29/2014

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This is a What-If. I will go through all the cmavo and selma'o and simplify, reduce, delete, replace and switch cmavo.

Current Selma'o:
A BAI BAhE BE BEI BEhO BIhE BIhI BO BOI BU BY CAI CAhA CEI CEhE CO COI CU CUhE DAhO DOI  DOhU FA FAhA FAhO FEhE FEhU FIhO FOI FUhA FUhE FUhO GA GAhO GEhU GI GIhA GOI GOhA GUhA  I JA JAI JOI JOhI KE KEI KEhE KI KOhA KU KUhE KUhO LA LAU LAhE LE LEhU LI LIhU LOhO LOhU LU LUhU MAI MAhO ME MEhU MOI MOhE MOhI NA NAI NAhE NAhE+BO NAhU NIhE NIhO NOI NU NUhA NUhI NUhU PA PEhE PEhO PU RAhO ROI SA SE SEI SEhU SI SOI SU TAhE TEI TEhU TO TOI TUhE TUhU UI VA VAU VEI VEhA VEhO VIhA VUhO XI Y ZAhO ZEI ZEhA ZI ZIhE ZO ZOI ZOhU

Deleted Selma'o:
A BAI BIhE BIhI CAI CAhA CEhE CUhE DAhO DOI FAhA FOI GA GAhO GI GIhA GUhA JA JOI JOhI KI LE LA LAU LAhE NAI NAhE+BO NIhO PEhE RAhO SA SE SOI SU TAhE TEI VA VIhA ZAhO ZEhA ZI

All the remaining Selma'o (see below) remain as they are.

Unaltered Selma'o:
BAhE BE BEI BEhO BO BOI BU BY CEI CO COI CU DOhU FA FAhO

Next, some Selma'o will be added back in, but they might undergo some grammar changes, and lots of their members might get eliminated or altered.


  • BAI is completely eliminated. All of its members are deleted entirely. A new pseudo Selma'o KIhU will be added, containing only eight prepositions: ki'u, mu'i, ri'a, ni'i, ja'e, va'o, fau and tai. Because KIhU is grammatically identical to the tenses (PU), the two get merged.
  • BIhE is redundant to BO. Deleted forever.
  • A, BIhI, GA, GI, GIhA, GUhA, JA, JOI, JOhI: All of {A, BIhI, JOI, JOhI} are merged with JA. GIhA and GUhA removed in favor of JA + X compounds. All members of selma'o A deleted. {ji} moved to JA. {je'i} deleted.
  • CAI, NAI -> UI, all members retained, only the grammar gets merged.
  • Termsets involving NUhI, NUhU, CEhE, PEhE eliminated.
  • SA re-added as a new selma'o, whose grammar is that of a free modifier.
  • All prepositions (i.e. tenses) merged into PU.
  • New selma'o LO added to replace the old LE and LA. LO contains exactly two members: {lo} and {la}.
    All other members of old LE are deleted.
  • LAhE reduced to TUhA = {tu'a}.
  • New SOI with grammar similar to SEI, but allowing bridi tails. 
  • .a .e .o .u become interjections, illocutionary operators or new members of selma'o I.
  • I and NIhO merged into a new I.

Unique cmavo replacements:
  • cu becomes su to enhance pronouncability.
  • ke'a switches places with ki
  • ce'u switches places with ce
  • du'u and du switched
  • jo'u becomes jau

Example sentence:
        lo nanmu su djuno lo du mi jau lo pendo ku simxu lo ka ce ciska lo sanmi poi ce bregau ki sa citka


Other changes:
  • SE grammar changed to forbid more than one SE in a row. Switched place is pulled to the front, as with e.g. {to'ai}. lo ve klama be mi = "the route by which I go"
  • CV'VV cmavo banned. Useful experimental cmavo are re-assigned to the many now-free cmavo.

Freed up cmavo:
.a .e .o .u ba'i bai bau be'i ca'i cau ci'e ci'o ci'u cu'u de'i di'o do'e du'i du'o fa'e fi'e ga'a gau ja'i ji'e ji'o ji'u ka'a ka'i kai ki'i koi ku'u la'u le'a li'e ma'e ma'i mau me'a me'e mu'u pa'a pa'u pi'o po'i pu'a pu'e ra'a ra'i rai ri'i sau si'u ta'i ti'i ti'u tu'i va'u zau zu'e bi'e ce'e gi'a gi'e gi'i gi'o gi'u goi po po'e gu'a gu'e gu'i gu'o gu'u la'i lai la'e lu'a lu'e lu'i lu'o tu'a vu'i le le'e le'i lei lo'e lo'i loi voi pe'e (94 words in total)








4 Comments
danr
1/29/2014 06:05:49 am

A little mistake: du'u in your sentence should be du.

Depending on what illocutionary operators are chosen, it seems that for instance ca'e could be removed. Perhaps xu too, but it is indeed helpful in xukau.

I welcome the simplification of si, sa and su. It is currently strange that a parser should remove parts of its input in such an elaborate fashion.

I don't know yet about SE as to'ai. But eliminating SE* is probably for the best.

I have more comments but perhaps I should just start my own Lojban blog because it will be a bit silly if I write entire blog posts as comments on yours.

Finally, bye, bye BAI!

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gleki
1/29/2014 12:31:51 pm

mi na'eru'e nelci i mu'a vimcu oi lo sumsmiselcmi ne zo ce'e je lo simsa
i ku'i mi banzu jimpe lo selsku pe bau lo balvi lojban i simsa lo sperybau je la'oi ido

i ji'a lu pu bo li'u cizra i e'u lu piu bo li'u

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gleki
1/29/2014 01:52:24 pm

i mi mutce nelci zo gau i mi pu jinvi lodu'u zo su ei du zo su'o

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